tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post9034081789688533112..comments2024-03-28T04:29:22.717+00:00Comments on mainly macro: Statement from members of Labour’s Economic Advisory CommitteeMainly Macrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-45334444926653018862016-07-17T10:42:53.805+00:002016-07-17T10:42:53.805+00:00What a great shame that you don't have suffici...What a great shame that you don't have sufficient fortitude and vision to continue in this essential role.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143442148342912554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-73797008352763101302016-07-05T00:14:52.677+00:002016-07-05T00:14:52.677+00:00Dear Simon Wren-Lewis,
I fear you may have been mi...Dear Simon Wren-Lewis,<br />I fear you may have been misled.<br />Jeremy Corbyn delivered the Labour vote and was the most active Labour campaigners for REMAIN when measured by media reports.<br /><br />http://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2016/june/devolution-implications-ignored.html<br /><br />Also this shows that it was the Conservative vote that led to the LEAVE result. <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/04/evidence-blame-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-remain-labour-conservative<br /><br /><br />There are a lot of lies being told about this in the hope that political damage will be done before the lies are recognised as such.<br /><br />IMO To accept such propaganda without verifying its veracity risks unnecessarily tarnishing ones reputation.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Iain Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-83381483590100206452016-07-03T13:41:22.526+00:002016-07-03T13:41:22.526+00:00Passionate? Didn't show a lot of passion on Th...Passionate? Didn't show a lot of passion on The Last Leg. "Ooh, about 7/10...". Even managed to put 7 in the top half of the 5 - 10 range.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03387593030487627882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-66733917004021853542016-07-02T18:11:22.471+00:002016-07-02T18:11:22.471+00:00I think it is a great pity that such people as you...I think it is a great pity that such people as yourselves have been mislead. I quote here from a referendum blog from the Guardian, wherein Angela Eagle states the following:<br />"Jeremy [Corbyn] is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult. This whole thing is about Tory big beasts having a battle like rutting stags, but it’s far more important, this vote, than any of that."<br /><br />The link to the article is here. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/13/eu-referendum-live-labour-remain-campaign-final-10-days-vote?page=with:block-575ed486e4b0aa348f1cc33f<br /><br />I feel that as professionals you should distance yourselves quickly from the demonisation of Jeremy. He and John McDonnell have done more than any other politicians to open the discussion with economists and the general public in my life time, I have attended some of the events.<br /><br />It would be a great pity to have professionals being mislead like this. Labour needs ideas to be aired in public and we should not stop, most of the right wing politicians would never engage in the discourse that is happening now.sandra crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622474331223249271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-36367369942858208962016-07-01T09:16:10.514+00:002016-07-01T09:16:10.514+00:00@Allan You may be right.
Not living in Britain it ...@Allan You may be right.<br />Not living in Britain it is hard for me to assess perceptions in Britain.Wim Nusselderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997282141403874498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-6230750273631720252016-06-30T15:22:14.136+00:002016-06-30T15:22:14.136+00:00By ignoring the pragmatic reality of their positio...By ignoring the pragmatic reality of their position; they are not providing advice to the Labour party 'as a whole' they were participating in a body formed by McDonnell, a staunch partner of Corbyn and one of the people propelled to the top of the party by the influx of new members. <br /><br />By acting as they did and most importantly at the time they did, most party members perceive they chose the side of the revolting PLP.<br /><br />I repeat; they may try to convince everyone that they did not intend this result and it may even be true but they won't remove the perception that they chose sides.AllanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056883330644304960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-5452295849289792142016-06-30T14:38:09.951+00:002016-06-30T14:38:09.951+00:00I'm relying on what he said: see subsequent po...I'm relying on what he said: see subsequent postMainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-22973206947780265782016-06-30T14:36:20.551+00:002016-06-30T14:36:20.551+00:00Speaking just for myself, see the subsequent post....Speaking just for myself, see the subsequent post.Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-36072411706399145322016-06-30T12:30:15.670+00:002016-06-30T12:30:15.670+00:00I’m disappointed that, as professional economists,...I’m disappointed that, as professional economists, you feel able to make the statement “the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid this outcome” without providing any supporting evidence. Are you just relying on reports from a media you often criticise and which has been almost uniformly hostile to Corbyn?<br /><br />The problem on Labour’s side was not Corbyn’s commitment. He worked as hard as he always does but Labour’s campaign organisation was very poor. This was in the hands of Alan Johnson and the party apparatus who seemed to have avoided any criticism by joining the blame Corbyn campaign. <br /><br />I have direct experience of this. Wales Labour ran a professional campaign for the Assembly elections but its referendum campaign was a shambles. Material was produced late and piled up in the Cardiff office car park; events and media communication were inadequate. Some of this is understandable. It’s often unappreciated how stretched party organisation is and how dependent on a small number of volunteers. The Welsh constituencies were exhausted after the Assembly campaign and the attention of the Welsh leadership was on forming a new Assembly government. <br /><br />The Leave side evidently had a lot of money behind them judging from the amount of posted material I received. We had to deliver material by hand and we simply did not have time to have the conversations that might have made a difference.<br /><br />There was also some complacency in what initially appeared to be an internal Tory dispute with a predictable result. I admit not fully realising myself quite how virulent the campaign was becoming, or how great the risk was, until quite late. But the political choice of Wales Labour to put out messages that were uncritical of the EU clashed with those from Corbyn and I do not believe they were convincing in the many Welsh areas that voted Leave. There was no challenge to Farage and Johnson on migration in either leaflets or commentary.<br /><br />This experience might be mirrored elsewhere. Labour did not run a good campaign but to blame all that on Corbyn is just evasion of responsibility from those who have been looking since September for an excuse to implement a PLP coup.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623963884259918737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-49339441758288768472016-06-30T11:40:44.038+00:002016-06-30T11:40:44.038+00:00This is true. I attended a large rally in Cardiff ...This is true. I attended a large rally in Cardiff at which he spoke clearly and unambiguously for Remain but which was almost entirely ignored by a media happy to promote any lie by Farage or Johnson.<br /><br />Angela Eagle herself stated on 13 June: "Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an agenda that would make a 25-year-old tired. He has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported it is difficult.” Now she wants to claim it was all his fault.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623963884259918737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-48362815325405130072016-06-30T11:37:29.291+00:002016-06-30T11:37:29.291+00:00@Allan How do they chose sides if they see the EAC...@Allan How do they chose sides if they see the EAC "as providing advice to the Labour party as a whole"??Wim Nusselderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997282141403874498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-5405723625365950242016-06-30T10:25:12.261+00:002016-06-30T10:25:12.261+00:00Whether the 4 who signed the letter wish to call i...Whether the 4 who signed the letter wish to call it this or not you have chosen the PLP 'side' of this coup and will rise or fall with their fortunes.<br />It doesn't create a good advert for 'objective' experts though; you have done your cause of promoting expert economic advice harm by taking sides like this.AllanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056883330644304960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-60338042713536922602016-06-30T10:15:11.982+00:002016-06-30T10:15:11.982+00:00To the extent that the turmoil is due to unclarity...To the extent that the turmoil is due to unclarity on the economic way forward (I don't know, not being British), could the EAS contribute to resolving it with proper advice?<br />If only by supporting and rephrasing sensible ideas from others, e.g. those from O'Neill quoted by Mike?<br />Does that suspension help to resolve the turmoil or add to it?Wim Nusselderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997282141403874498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-58618221633538017432016-06-30T10:00:24.240+00:002016-06-30T10:00:24.240+00:00The EAC has been suspended until the current turmo...The EAC has been suspended until the current turmoil in the Labour party is resolved. Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-3889804117258870092016-06-30T09:59:20.812+00:002016-06-30T09:59:20.812+00:00We are not supporting anyone. We have every right ...We are not supporting anyone. We have every right to be critical of him, as being on the EAC was not conditional on us doing otherwise. Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-3834605426046945582016-06-30T09:54:29.966+00:002016-06-30T09:54:29.966+00:00The statement should be seen as a response to Blan...The statement should be seen as a response to Blanchflower's resignation. It is clearly inappropriate that the committee meet during the current situation - that is all. We are still members of it and have not resigned. Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-28811640585728429492016-06-30T09:51:23.727+00:002016-06-30T09:51:23.727+00:00"Does this mean that you are no longer advisi..."Does this mean that you are no longer advising the Labour party and the EAC has effectively been wound up?"<br /><br />No, it does not. Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-23864060282744902502016-06-30T09:49:53.842+00:002016-06-30T09:49:53.842+00:00I am finding that correcting your factual errors i...I am finding that correcting your factual errors is becoming tedious. Piketty resigned before the referendum result for time pressure reasons. Stiglitz has not resigned. Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-14473919562268981782016-06-30T07:46:54.855+00:002016-06-30T07:46:54.855+00:00Does that imply that the EAC suspends its activiti...Does that imply that the EAC suspends its activities (including unsolicited advice) until the current situation is resolved?<br />If so, does that refer primarily to the internal division of Labour or to the Brexit referendum consequences?<br />Could the EAC advise on how to unite Labour, the UK and Europe (including the UK) from an econommic perspective?Wim Nusselderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997282141403874498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-79294067361933099122016-06-29T16:28:46.387+00:002016-06-29T16:28:46.387+00:00So your not supporting corbyn but the opportunists...So your not supporting corbyn but the opportunists in the parliamentary labour party. Why not just keep out of it and say nothing. It isn't to the credit of economists that they have become such meddlers.amnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-70031151202741163072016-06-29T15:57:36.896+00:002016-06-29T15:57:36.896+00:00http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/06/what-blairites...http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/06/what-blairites-were-busy-doing-instead.html<br /><br />What Blairites Were Busy Doing Instead of Campaigning for Remain<br />Remember this is what they're using to justify trying to oust Corbyn, that he didn't try hard enough to prevent Cameron from fucking up the country. The reality is, they saw an opportunity long before the vote was taken. The "reasons" were inserted after.<br />Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making.<br /><br />Moderate MPs who believe Mr Corbyn can never win back power think his failure to close down public rows which flare up and dominate the news channels leaves him vulnerable.<br /><br />By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day.<br /><br />That was two weeks before the referendum. I wonder how those media storms just happen? Of course the press is really playing along with the "IT'S ALL CORBYN'S FAULT" narrative. New Labour is in their blood. 20 years from now Labour still won't have won an election and it will be Corbyn's fault.<br /><br />Launching a coup in the Labour Party at this moment has diverted attention away from those responsible for this national crisis — not least by staggering resignations to ensure Labour’s woes dominate the news cycle for as long as possible.<br /><br />That was the plan!<br />by Atrios at 12:00 Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08272747870634233567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-49948552394860595632016-06-29T15:54:52.258+00:002016-06-29T15:54:52.258+00:00You do realise that if Corbyn gets ousted, all of ...You do realise that if Corbyn gets ousted, all of the things that you hope for the Labour party to achieve (a stop in austerity, a stop to anti-immigrant rhetoric etc) will be just a pipe dream? The PLP have largely accepted the conservative narrative on these issues, with some already calling on labour to target immigration in particular as a means of "reconnecting" with voters. They are dangerously out of touch and deluded. And now they (along with media macro) are using your above statement to further undermine Corbyn; its disingenuous to focus solely on labour's supposed "poor" performance during the referendum without mentioning the broader (and much more significant) failures of the conservative and lib dem remain campaign. To attribute this disaster to Corbyn alone just adds fuel to the fire and protects the real culprits, ie Mr Caneron and his audes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707628599225446419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-89693108228725532632016-06-29T15:46:30.490+00:002016-06-29T15:46:30.490+00:00"For example we all share the view that the E..."For example we all share the view that the EU referendum result is a major disaster for the UK, and we have felt unhappy that the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid this outcome. "<br /><br />Give me a break. This is why people loose faith in experts.<br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08272747870634233567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-12072789395655266822016-06-29T14:23:53.450+00:002016-06-29T14:23:53.450+00:00The experts are spitefully going to let the world ...The experts are spitefully going to let the world burn so they can say "we told you so" to the ignorant masses. Tristanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03534395576482593967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-30356271496534694372016-06-29T14:21:44.151+00:002016-06-29T14:21:44.151+00:00Labour members voted about 65-35 to Remain, while ...Labour members voted about 65-35 to Remain, while Conservatives voted 60-40 to Leave.<br /><br />Circular firing squad much?Ken Houghtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01440837287933536370noreply@blogger.com