tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post9107155168708007529..comments2024-03-28T04:29:22.717+00:00Comments on mainly macro: Methodological seductionMainly Macrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-66044739776283550542014-07-31T12:43:02.901+00:002014-07-31T12:43:02.901+00:00A fascinating post, developing some very interesti...A fascinating post, developing some very interesting themes from some of your other posts, but one thing puzzles me-<br /><br />"there is no dispute that stagflation left the Keynesian/Monetarist framework vulnerable"<br /><br />Let's say that monetarism proper* was basically IS/LM Keynesianism + Friedmanite demand function for money + accelerationist Phillips Curve + permanent income hypothesis, in order of importance to Friedman's macroeconomic framework. That seems to be the consensus summary of what Friedman actually put forward when he set out a formal model in the early 1970s.<br /><br />The demand function for money was important primarily to motivate a k-percent rule and to a lesser extent to dismiss the problems of classical liquidity traps by extending the Keynesian interest theory to include more than just money & bonds. Stagflation wasn't a problem for this hypothesis, though there were separate problems with "missing money" in the same period e.g. the "missing M3" of 1976 onwards in the USA.<br /><br />The permanent income hypothesis was important insofar as it reduced the appeal of activist fiscal policy. Obviously stagflation wasn't a problem for the PIH.<br /><br />That leaves us with the accelerationist PC. Although this only came relatively late in the life of the 1960s, you can argue that it was central to linking monetarism with the quantity theory of money. If one agrees with Patinkin that the key proposition of the QTM was the long-run neutrality of money, then monetarism pre-1967 wasn't particularly QTM-orientated. After all, the key thesis of the "Monetary History of the United States" was the SHORT-run NON-neutrality of money and the alleged central role of changes in the money stock in driving contractions like the Great Depression. The accelerationist PC gave a rationale to the long-run neutrality claim by explaining why a change in the money supply wouldn't permanently affect real output given that it would uncontroversially do so in the short-run, and thus linked monetarism firmly with the QTM tradition. And as you correctly note, IS-LM Keynesianism + an accelerationist PC deals with stagflation perfectly well.<br /><br />So I really think you had it right in a previous post: it was methodology all the way down. Far from methodology following the paradigm (in a Kuhnian way) the microfoundations methodology drove the paradigm-shift in favour of New Classical macroeconomics and other microfoundational theories, including New Keynesianism. Adopting IS-LM + an accelerationist PC was an empirically adequate shift for Keynesians, and monetarism was an empirically adequate approach until the breakdown of money demand functions in the 1980s. (Even then, in the UK M0 was a pretty good guide until it was discontinued nearly 10 years ago, but given the problems with other aggregates it would have been a very bad idea to adopt a monetarist policy based on it.) The macroeconomics revolutions since the 1970s have not been motivated by empirical concerns with Keynesianism + a big healthy dose of Friedman (or monetarism with a big healthy extraction of Friedman, depending on how you look at it!).<br /><br />Also, I think that you're right to focus on methodology rather then ideology. Friedman was just as out of place in the new macroeconomic world as Tobin or Minsky. The issue was not markets vs. the state but rather what would constitute an adequate macroeconomic model. If there was an "ideology" (an awful intellectually-lazy phrase that we could do without) at work in Lucas et al, it was a philosophical preference for formal rigour and mathematical idealization rather than a political theory.<br /><br />* I.e. not including predecessors to monetarism like Hume, Ricardo, and Fisher.W. Pedennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-85853196204940540602014-07-31T12:24:58.158+00:002014-07-31T12:24:58.158+00:00"The Keynesian revolution fits this standard ..."The Keynesian revolution fits this standard account: ‘A’ is classical theory, Y is the Great Depression, ‘B’ is Keynesian theory."<br /><br />Dan beat me to it. I can't remember coming across any pre-Keynesian economist who fits Keynes' description of a "classical" economist. (RBC theorists come closest, but they come 50 years too late). In many ways the monetarist counter-revolution and New Keynesian continuation was a successful attempt to link up with that older tradition. Wicksell didn't get re-integrated until Woodford.Nick Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04982579343160429422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-77752159381579434672014-07-30T15:31:11.555+00:002014-07-30T15:31:11.555+00:00"I think this was initially true, but over th... "I think this was initially true, but over the last decade or so DSGE models have become standard in many central banks."<br /><br />Standard in terms of what? Mike Carney has said that "no theorist can capture the complexities of central banking".<br /><br />When it comes to making to a decision, especially in reacting to a crisis, they are not going to rely on a DSGE or any other model. Full stop. To do so would be insane. They will go by historical case studies and other experience, make the best judgement possible at the time which will necessarily involve a lot of subjectivity. <br /><br />The models, if they are used at all, will be to back up their view. If they don't, they will be made to do so. The model follows the decision. The decision is not driven by the model. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-83007541869339575222014-07-30T14:34:55.436+00:002014-07-30T14:34:55.436+00:00The answer that I, and most academics, would give ...<i>The answer that I, and most academics, would give is absolutely not – instead it has provided the motivation for a burgeoning literature on financial frictions. To speak in the language of Lakatos, the paradigm is far from degenerate. </i><br /><br />I'm pretty sure Lakatos wouldn't have used the presence or absence of a "burgeoning literature" as an indicator of whether or not a research program was degenerate!!<br /><br />There is a lot of literature about financial frictions, but it is so far all really, really disappointing. These papers typically take the form of:<br /><br />1) clever little reference to something in game theory, usually signalling<br />2) surprisingly crude proof that the result in 1) could, in some situation, lead to self-reinforcing behaviour in asset prices<br />3) massive great clunking deus ex machina comes in to say "But Fundamental Value Is X (or sometimes theta) And So Then There Will Be A Crash"<br />4) straight on to some sort of credit rationing model of the sort that's been available since the 80s<br /><br />What makes me worry about the health of the research program is exactly that there are so many "financial frictions" models, all equally good (all equally "meh") and with no sign of a criterion by which one might judge which was more relevant to the real world. The problem is that, IMO, the only such criterion we are going to get is going to involve a load of detailed and specific institutional knowledge(*) and that it is this institutional detail and specificity that's missing, not anything that can be bolted on from a rational expectations/microfoundation paradigm.<br /><br />(*) By "specific institutional knowledge", I mean that the guys whose model involves an aggregate equity/asset ratio for the banking system are at least starting down the right path, but miles and miles away from where they need to be.Dan Davieshttp://blog.danieldavies.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-38307892012959663972014-07-30T14:00:42.373+00:002014-07-30T14:00:42.373+00:00It's still not difficult to imagine a high lev...It's still not difficult to imagine a high level of unemployment causing an incoming political party to nationalise the central bank and indulge in non-mainstream economic policy, as happened in the UK in 1945. <br /><br />At the rate things are going, it may be the only way for the stimulati (sic) to get to try their policies out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-22172949400309493212014-07-30T13:52:10.481+00:002014-07-30T13:52:10.481+00:00This is one of those cases where (self imposed) le...This is one of those cases where (self imposed) length constraints got in the way. The additional point I would have made was that there were methodological innovations that greatly helped Keynesian economics, like national accounts data and econometrics. Keynes did contribute to the emergence of the former.Mainly Macrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984575852247982901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546602206734889307.post-14292761398088107012014-07-30T13:05:39.996+00:002014-07-30T13:05:39.996+00:00"The Keynesian revolution fits this standard ..."The Keynesian revolution fits this standard account: ‘A’ is classical theory, Y is the Great Depression, ‘B’ is Keynesian theory. Does the New Classical counterrevolution (NCCR) also fit, with Y being stagflation?"<br /><br />I don't have a comment on the main body of the post, but I think your gloss of the rise of Keynesianism follows more from what Keynes claimed than what actually occurred. I was just reading Roger Backhouse's excellent one-volume history of economics ("The Ordinary Business of Life") and he makes just this argument, as do many other historians of economics. Keynes built on the Wicksellian tradition as well as a 50 year old Cambridge monetary tradition. Many of the policy ideas he proposed were already in practice, supported by intuitions that his theories may have formalized, but certainly did not revolutionize. Put another way, Keynes explicitly constructed a "classical" tradition to revolutionize, but that tradition is not what many of his colleagues were actually doing as of 1935. <br /><br />I think what Keynes actually did - and perhaps the New Classicals as well, I know much less about them - is closer to Kuhn's model of revolutions, where the new theory does not simply provide better answers to old questions, but actually changes the terms of the debate entirely such that the new and the old are not entirely commensurable. Keynes - and especially his interpreters like Hicks - provided the formalism that future research would have to contend with, but it did this by deliberately misconstruing the recent past of economic theory. Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07507086207394551238noreply@blogger.com